我们的仇恨剑有所指
我们的敌人昭然若揭
是恶魔
是基督徒
正如《古兰经》所言 我必以你们充满火狱
新教宗 第二集
求您让我母亲康复
我在这世上只有她了
禁止进入
你知道我一直很脆弱
圣母玛利亚
我无法一个人活在这世上
如果她死了
就让我陪她一起死吧
早上好 您正在收听103广播 Good morning! You're listening to Radio 103.
现在是6点整 又到了「最受关注的问题」时间了 It's six on the dot, time for "Questions of the Day",
我们会念出一些 when we read out the questions
让大家夜不能寐的热门问题 that have been keeping you up at night.
我们选了最多人问到的几个问题 接下来开始了 We've selected the ones most asked. So, here we go.
第一个 方济各二世是怎么去世的 Number one: how did Pope Francis II die?
永远陪伴教宗 本镇爱教宗
第二个 有人相信他突然生病的说法吗 Number two: Does anyone believe the story of his sudden illness?
第三个 若望·保禄一世教宗不也是这么死的吗 Number three: Didn't the same thing happen to Pope John Paul I?
第四个 若望·保禄一世教宗不是 Number four: Isn't it true that Pope John Paul I
给梵蒂冈的上层统治者造成了诸多问题吗 caused more than a few problems for the upper echelons at the Vatican?
第五个 历史会重演吗 Number five: Does history repeat itself?
第六个 新教宗会是谁 Number six: Who will the new pope be?
过来 Come here!
跪下 On your knees.
别把我身上弄脏了 Just don't get me dirty.
我必须去换身衣服 I have to change.
我走了 I'm off.
务必把新教宗带回来 Come back with the new pope in your pocket.
顺便提一句 听说布兰诺克斯非常英俊 By the way, they say Brannox is very attractive.
那我就用我无耻下流的魅力去说服他 Then I will use all my brazen charm to persuade him.
别让我又性奋起来啊 Don't get me all excited once again.
我有很多项目要向布兰诺克斯提 I've got a lot of projects to propose to Brannox.
你的人生只有一个项目 汤马西 You only have one project in life, Tomas:
就是给我快感 to give me pleasure.
新教宗逝世
瓦埃洛 不止一篇报道含沙射影 Well, Voiello, more than one article insinuates,
当然 都是在字里行间暗示 between lines, of course,
方济各二世的死可能与你有关 that you may have had a hand in Francis II's death.
倒也不能怪他们 I can't blame them.
如果我身处他们的位子上 If I were in their shoes,
我也会怀疑我自己的 I would be suspicious of me as well.
-你紧张吗 -我向来都很紧张 - Are you nervous? - I am always nervous.
我不是个温和平静的人 I am not a bland man, you know.
是什么让你紧张 What makes you nervous?
-急性子 -我也同意 - Haste. - I agree.
当初正是因为急性子 才让我们做出了有问题的选择 Haste drove us to make a rather questionable choice:
就是方济各二世 Francis II.
我们必须在返回罗马参加 We have to convince Brannox to accept
方济各二世的葬礼前 就说服布兰诺克斯接受 before we return to Rome for Francis II's funeral.
你为何要让他提前就同意 Why do you need him to agree in advance?
我们无法承受先在教宗选举中投票选他 We can't afford to vote for him in the conclave
到最后他却不接受 and then, perhaps, he doesn't accept.
是有这种风险的 There is a risk.
我听说他是个难搞的人 充满怀疑 非常高傲 I am told he is a difficult man full of doubts and lofty.
我希望第一次投票就能选出新教宗 I want a new pope on the first vote.
约翰爵士是最有才干的神父 Sir John is a priest of the highest caliber.
有真正的神父风范 明智而周全 A true father figure, wise and well-balanced.
我们曾一起静修学习 卓有成果 We spent many fruitful days of serene study together,
那是在欧洲主教会议期间 during the European Synod.
据说他有时候会消沉抑郁 They say sometimes he tends toward depression.
难道有不存在这种倾向的神父吗 大人 Do you know of a priest who doesn't have this tendency, Eminence?
无论如何 他成功地让大批圣公会教徒 At any rate, it's astounding how many Anglicans
改信了天主教 这是非常惊人的 he has converted to Catholicism, a multitude.
上一次的教宗选举他就没有参加 He did not attend the last conclave.
我觉得这不合适 I find this unbecoming.
他无法参加 He wasn't able to attend
因为他必须去照顾他年迈患疾的双亲 because he had to look after his elderly, ill parents.
说到这个 他给我写了一封 Speaking of which, he has written me
非常感人的信 长达36页 a very moving letter of 36 pages,
我很想念出来 与你们一起分享 which I would like to share with all of you.
得了吧 Please!
庇护十三世教宗若是在会怎么说呢 What would Pius XIII say?
我们已经忘记了庇护十三世教宗 We have forgotten about Pius XIII.
我没有忘记他 古铁雷兹 I have not forgotten him, Gutierrez.
相反 我在努力弘扬他的遗志 Rather, I am trying to honor him.
我们敬爱的莱尼在初当教宗时 手段强硬 Our beloved Lenny began his papacy animated by intransigence,
但是最终 他软化了 but in the end, he softened.
他想寻求一种折中的方式 He was searching for the middle way.
也正因此 我们才要去见布兰诺克斯爵士 Which is why we are going to see Sir John Brannox.
他是中庸之道的行家 He is the great theorist of the middle way.
把良知放在首位 教权次之 First conscience, then the papal infallibility.
把折衷怀柔放在首位 严厉教条次之 First the softness of compromise, then the dogma.
可以说这就是约翰爵士的处世之道 This, roughly speaking, is Sir John's philosophy.
也只有他这样的人 才能压住那些淫乱丑闻 And the only philosophy that can placate the sex scandals,
才能在恐怖主义危机下稳定人心 the terrorist threats,
阻止庇护十三世被人偶像化 the drift toward idolatry of Pius XIII
同时消除方济各二世之死引发的种种猜测 and the dreadful suspicions regarding the death of Francis II.
我们正四面楚歌 知道什么意思吗 We are under siege, do you understand that?
正因如此 我们必须速战速决 Which is why we are at haste.
而且我们只有一个合适的人选 And which is why we have only one viable candidate:
那就是约翰·布兰诺斯爵士 Sir John Brannox.
是那座著名的纽曼红衣主教像 The famous statue of Cardinal Newman!
我只听过它的名头 却从未亲眼见过 I've only heard about that but I've never seen it before.
-他是谁 -什么他是谁 - Who's he? - What do you mean who's he?
他是约翰爵士的人生导师 Sir John's philosophical spiritual mentor.
他来了 It's him.
来的不是他 It's not him.
我们是梵蒂冈代表团 We are the Vatican delegation.
爵士大人约见我们 His Eminence is expecting us.
爵士大人常说 As his Eminence always says,
或早或晚 我们都将应上帝之约离去 we are all expected, sooner or later.
我告诉过你他有些抑郁 I told you he tends toward depression.
大人让我代他致歉 他太累了 His Eminence sends his apologies, but he was extremely tired
他从不晚于十点半就寝 and he never goes to bed later than ten thirty.
他期待明早与你们见面 He is looking forward to see you in the morning.
请允许我带你们去客房 Allow me to show you to yours rooms.
抱歉 我们必须立刻见到他 Excuse me, but it is very important that we see him right away.
明天一早我们就要离开这里 We were planning on leaving early tomorrow morning.
不可能 Imposible.
约翰爵士不会打破他的习惯 Sir John never alters his habits,
即使遇到生命危险也不会变 not even in the face of death.
-这里有鬼吗 -有的 - Are there ghosts here? - Yes.
我突然感到一阵寂寞 I felt lonely all of a sudden.
可是若我现在让你进来 But if I I let you come in now,
以后 我们只会更加寂寞 we'll feel even more lonely later.
你的决定没有错 You made the right decision.
欢愉会带来痛苦 Pleasure leads to pain.
哪来的音乐 What's that music?
是他在弹琴吧 约翰爵士 I think it's him, Sir John.
他是什么样子 见到他没有 What's he like? Have you seen him?
还没 他累了 Not yet. He was tired.
他弹的是什么 是拨弦键琴吗 What is it, a harpsichord?
不是 是竖琴 No, it's a harp.
-不对 就是拨弦键琴 -好了 - You're wrong, it's a harpsichord. - Enough.
这些贵人们正盯着我看呢 These noblemen are looking at me.
给我口 Lick me.
我们永远不会分开的 是不是 约翰 We will never be apart, will we, John?
不会的 亚当 永远不会 Never, Adam, never!
亚当·布兰诺克斯
你在这里啊 大人 可算是找到你了 There you are, Eminence! I finally found you.
他们坐在那里 They have been sitting there like that,
一动不动 已经有一小时十分钟了 without moving an hour and 10 minutes.
那是在干什么 是在做遗体防腐吗 What is it, some sort of embalming process?
不 他们只是悲伤不能自已 No, it's unbearable grief.
墓里躺着的 是他们的儿子吗 Is the one in the tomb their son?
是约翰爵士的孪生兄弟 亚当 Sir John's twin brother: Adam.
四十年过去了 公爵和夫人 Even after forty years, the Duke and Duchess
还是会在那里再坐八个钟头 will sit there like that for another eight hours.
然后 在日落时分 And then, at sunset,
布兰诺斯夫人就会叹一口气 Duchess Brannox will sigh, just once.
仆人就知道是时候带他们进去了 And the servants will know that it is time to go back inside.
您也该进去了 大人 And it's time for you to go inside, as well, Eminence.
-约翰爵士已经在等您了 -可算见我了 - Sir John is waiting for you. - Finally.
你知道约翰爵士在哪里吗 Do you know where I might find Sir John?
就在这里 大人 You just have, Eminence.
所以 我们现在 So, here we are
不得不硬着头皮谈话 faced with the frightful task of having to converse.
很遗憾 现在还没有人发现 Unfortunately, they still have not discovered
有其他更好的办法来结识一个人 any better way to make someone's acquaintance.
不对 当然有其他办法 比如说一见钟情 No-sense, of course they have. What about love at first sight?
在此之前先彼此热切试探 猛烈而静默 Followed by amorous passion, savage and silent.
那只会叫我感到不适 That would make me uncomfortable.
所以我们还是选择保守的对话方式吧 So let's stick with an old-fashioned conversation.
-我是... -你 是个明星人物 - I am... - You are the star.
所有人都知道你是谁 Everyone knows who you are!
红衣主教安吉洛·瓦埃洛大人 His Eminence, Cardinal Angelo Voiello.
你的大作《幕后之人》 Do you know how many time I have read
你知道我读过多少遍吗 your delightful "Man Behind the Scenes"?
-不知道 多少遍呢 -一遍 - No, how many? - Once.
因为我告诉自己 如果我读第二遍 Because I said to myself if I read this book again
我就很容易变成穷凶极恶之徒 there is a good chance I will turn decidedly bad.
那么你觉得我是个什么样的人 So how do you find me?
-我会说你很好 大人 -我很烦恼 - I would say well, Eminence. - I am enchafed.
只有他人才能清楚地知道我是怎样的人 It's only others who truly know how I am.
我想你能猜到我们来访之意 I imagine that you can well imagine the reason for our visit.
我不会猜的 大人 I have no imagination, Eminence.
为了能活得轻松一点 So, in order to lead an acceptable existence,
我早就学会了少问问题 I have learnt to pare down the questions.
那就让我告诉你 Then allow me to inform you.
你已经见过我的父母了吗 Have you already seen my parents?
我想我瞥见了一眼 I believe I caught a glimpse of them.
那你非常幸运 想遇到他们不容易 You were very fortunate. It is not easy to intercept them.
他们住在城堡的另一侧 北翼 They live in the other wing of the castle, the north wing,
就是为了小心翼翼地避开见到我 so as to scrupulously avoid ever having to see me.
家庭问题确实让人心累 Family dynamics can be wearing.
这里的一切都让人心累 Everything can be wearing here.
天气 食物 单调 伦敦 The weather, the food, the monotony, London.
你知道我父母为何不想见到我吗 Do you know why my parents never ever wish to see me?
不知道 为什么 No. Why?
因为他们觉得我没有尽全力 Because they believe I did not do enough
去救我孪生兄弟亚当 to save the life of my twin brother Adam,
他们最爱的儿子 在1985年寒冬的一天 their favorite son, on a cold winter's day back in 1985.
我很遗憾 I am sorry.
如今已没什么可遗憾的了 There is little to be sorry about now.
我父母不过做着世人都在做的事 My parents are only doing what all humans do:
把一切都怪罪到别人身上 blaming everything on others.
不过 至少我们天主教徒可以一切都怨上帝 However, at least we Catholics blame everything on God.
其实我们是把一切赞美都归于上帝 Actually we give him all the credit.
这难道不是一回事吗 Is that not the same thing?
告诉我 Tell me...
国务枢机卿的一生 how much of his life
花费多久自我学习 does a Secretary of State spend informing himself?
毕生 即使在我祈祷时 我也学习 All of it. Even when I pray, I inform myself.
这个笑话非常有趣 尽管我没有笑 That joke is terribly funny, even tough I did not laugh.
-我们爱戴的庇护十三世如何了 -稳定 - How is our beloved Pius XIII? - Stable.
-但依然昏迷着 -庇护十三世是位伟大的教宗 - But still in coma, unfortunately. - Pius XIII was a great pope.
在我得知他的病情无法好转后 我流泪了 I wept when I learnt his condition was irreversible.
悲恸心痛 How I wept!
你会流泪吗 大人 Do you weep, Eminence?
太过频繁了 Far too often.
比常人认为国务枢机卿流泪的次数多 More than one would expect of the Secretary of State.
那你为何而流泪 And what do you weep for?
为好莱坞爱情片 为受苦的朋友 For Hollywood romances, and friends who suffer.
你呢 你为何而流泪 And you? What do you weep for?
为世界上无穷尽的不完美 For the inexhaustible imperfection of the world.
-你肯定不容易 -确实不易 - It must not be easy being you. - It is not.
有一点我想事先说清楚 I want to make one thing perfectly clear from the start:
我爱我兄弟亚当 I loved my brother Adam.
约翰爵士 我何时能再见你 Sir John, when will I see you again?
这是爱人才会问的问题 大人 A question a lover would ask, Eminence.
昨晚 在我房间 Last night, in my room,
我强烈地感受到了庇护十三世在我身旁 I felt the clear presence of Pius XIII next to me.
约翰·亨利 纽曼红衣主教
你觉得她是怎样的女人 What sort of woman do you think she is?
请原谅我的粗鲁 爵士 Pardon my vulgarity, Sir,
但她是个美人 but she is a beauty.
你昨晚为何没把我的盒子拿来 Why did you not bring me my box last night?
我拿去了 约翰爵士 I did bring it, Sir John.
我放在了您的床头柜上 一如既往 I left it on your bedside table in the usual place.
我没找到 I couldn't find it.
不过我还是睡着了 Though I managed to fall asleep anyway.
也许这是个征兆 Perhaps it's a sign.
也许吧 Perhaps.
他们回来早了 They are coming back early.
奇怪 Strange!
大人 我们此次造访的目的... So, Eminence, the reason for our visit...
-方济各二世是如何去世的 -心脏病 - How did Francis II die actually? - Heart attack.
-和若望·保禄一世一样 -没错 - Like John Paul I? - Exactly.
詹巴蒂斯塔·维柯所言的 One of Giambattista Vico's
意大利政治哲学家 演说学家 历史学家和法理学家
不断重复的人类历史之一 ever-recurring cycles of human history.
你肆无忌惮的过分简化令我担忧 瓦埃洛 Your brazen tendency to oversimplify alarms me, Voiello.
当大不列颠民众投票支持脱欧后 我备受煎熬 I suffered when Great Britain voted in favor of Brexit.
欧洲的去基督化进程又向前迈了一小步 Another small step toward the dechristianization of Europe.
你说话已然有教宗风范了 大人 You already sound like a pope, Eminence.
而你说话像个有抱负的国务枢机卿 大人 And you like an aspiring Secretary of State, Eminence.
告诉我 古铁雷兹 这些天罗马天气如何 Do tell, Gutierrez, how is the weather in Rome, these days?
我只在年轻时去过那里 I haven't been there since I was young,
那时我还是宗座额我略大学的学生 when I was a student at the Gregorian University.
-一直舒适宜人 大人 -与这里不同 - Constantly mild, Eminence. - Not here.
这里的天气令人备受折磨 Here the weather is a torment.
所有生命最后只得学会适应天气 And life ends up adapting to the weather.
罗马不一样 罗马令人心旷神怡 Rome is different. Rome is joyful.
所有生命最后都会适应罗马 And life ends up adapting itself to Rome.
你的庄园有多大 大人 How large is your estate Eminence?
我完全不知道 I have no idea.
大约2500英亩 至少我认为有这么大 Around 2500 acres or so would I've thought.
梵蒂冈只有108英亩 The Vatican is only 108.
管理起来肯定更加容易 大人 It would be so much easier to manage, Eminence.
说实话 我很惊讶你采用了 Quite frankly, I am astounded at the method
这样的方法向我提议 you chose to make me such a proposal.
仿佛你在邀请我做总裁一般 It's as if you are offering me a position as a CEO.
他们只是假装不知道 They're pretending to be unaware
这个职位所背负的巨大精神负担 of the enormous spiritual weight that such a mission requires.
成为教宗 大人 就是殉道 To be pope, Eminence, is a martyrdom.
而接任庇护十三世之位 更是负担 And after Pius XIII it's a burden.
接任方济各二世之位 And after Francis II
非常危险 it's suspect.
感谢您的宝贵的帮助 Thank you for your precious help,
但成为教宗并不是殉道 but being pope is not a martyrdom.
而是拥有巨大的特权 It is an enormous privilege.
大人 我为你取得的成就感到震惊 Eminence, I am astounded at the results you have obtained.
让所有那些圣公会教徒皈依天主教 All those Anglicans converting to Catholicism?
-你是怎么做到的 -通过谈论其他的事情 - How did you do it? - By talking about other things.
多年来 这些房间都是供轻松会谈的庙宇 For years, these rooms were a temple for lighthearted encounters.
人们期望神父能谈论信仰 People expect priests to talk about religion.
但我知道 一个启示性的宗教必须具有诗意 But I knew that a revealed religion must be poetic.
所以我跟他们谈论高尔夫 荷尔德林 So I would speak with them about golf, Holderlin,
蒙塔莱和阿森纳足球俱乐部 Montale and the Arsenal football club
以及女人交叉双腿的方式 and the way women have of crossing their legs.
诗意 Poetry!
然后他们就会明白成为天主教徒意味着什么 And they would discover what it means to be Catholic,
意味着成为万事万物 means being everything,
因为万事万物都是上帝的恩典 for everything belongs to the grace of God.
我能听到自己说话 I could hear myself talking
意识到我在扮演一个角色 and realized that I was playing a part.
好演员知道到了某一时刻 Good actors know that at a certain point
就是时候退出舞台了 it is time to withdraw from the stage.
但伟大的演员会死在舞台上 But great actors die on stage.
因为他们永远不会停止进步 Because they never stop improving.
以及成长 我知道 And growing, I know.
"成长是生命唯一的证明" "Growth is the only evidence of life",
纽曼红衣主教曾经这样说 Cardinal Newman used to say.
但永恒的问题是 我想成长吗 But the everlasting question is: do I want to grow?
我想活着吗 Do I want to live?
你想让我成为下一任教宗 You want me to be the next pope.
教会如今赤身裸体 The Church is naked,
而你认为最适合她的衣服 and you believe the most suitable outfit in which to cloth her
是我的中庸之道 is my famous middle way.
既然教会一丝不挂 在穿衣之前 But since the Church is already naked, before dressing her again,
你需要像医生一样给她检查 you need to examine her, the way a doctor would.
诊断教会是一项巨大的工程 瓦埃洛 Diagnosing the Church is a colossal enterprise, Voiello,
而你严重低估了这一点 which you underestimate gravely.
区分在教会的身体里什么是心理症状 It is essential to distinguish between what is physiological
什么是病理症状才是最重要的 and what is pathological in the body of the Church.
大家看 There.
大人刚才已经向你解释过 His Eminence has just explained to you
中庸之道的基本原则 the basic principle of the Middle Way.
你愿意重返舞台吗 约翰爵士 Will you take the stage again, Sir John?
我不知道 I don't know.
你把事情过度简化了 瓦埃洛 You oversimplify things, Voiello.
今天是很久以来的第一次 Today was the first day in a long while,
我无法和上帝对话 I was unable to speak with God.
我想到的话很邪恶 The words that came to me were ugly.
邪恶 为什么 Ugly? How?
虚假 False.
就这样 花儿在我眼前绽放 And just like that, the flower blossomed, right before my eyes.
我将手放在腹部 轻声低语 I placed a hand on my belly and whispered:
"我感受到了 圣父 我感受到了" "I feel it, Holy Father, I feel it."
庇护十三世教宗 And Pius XIII
没有看我 他闭着双眼 without looking at me, closed his eyes and said,
用优雅的声音说 in a voice filled with grace:
"我也感受到了 埃斯特 "I feel it too, Ester.
是的 你已怀有身孕 Yes, you are pregnant,
你将诞下美丽的小男孩 and you will have a beautiful baby boy.
但请不要将这称为奇迹 But please, let's not call it a miracle.
就让神秘保持神秘" Let's let mystery remain mystery."
真美 真美 埃斯特 Beautiful, beautiful, Ester.
你的故事带给我们欢乐 让我们重拾希望 Your story gives us joy, it restore us our hope.
是的 希望 Yes, hope!
200欧元 我们说好500欧元的 200 euro? We agreed on 500!
求你别再烦我 我已经迟到了 Please don't you start busting my balls. I'm already late.
我只能给你200欧元 200 it's all I can give you.
再说 那个关于奇迹的鬼话你已经 Besides, you've already told that miracle bullshit 1000 times,
在全世界的电视里讲过一千遍了 on every TV in the world.
你喜欢吗 Do you like it?
你来祈祷还是喝酒 Do you come here to pray or to drink?
他会先喝酒再祈祷上帝帮他戒酒 First he drinks then he prays to God to help him stop.
年份巴罗洛酒 Barolo Anversano.
-敬布兰诺克斯 -敬布兰诺克斯 - To Brannox? - To Brannox!
你确定他会成为下一任教宗吗 You're really sure he'll be the new pope?
-我有个可靠的内线 -谁 - I've got an insider very reliable. - Who?
-我妻子 -你的计划真高明 汤马西 - My wife. - Your plan is brilliant, Tomas.
你给"精明算计"这个词增光添彩 You give a new luster to the term wheeler-dealer.
我不明白你怎么这么确定 I don't understand why you are so sure
你能得到布兰诺克斯的青睐 you can get into Brannox's good graces.
放轻松 圭恰迪尼 放轻松 Relax, Guicciardini. Relax.
我是经济和财政部长 I am the Minister of Economy and Finance.
你不知道我有曝光率有多高吗 Do you realize how exposed I am?
请别跟我说放轻松 Please don't tell me to relax
这样只会让我更心烦 because that only makes me more upset.
圭恰迪尼 重点是 Guicciardini, look the point is this:
不是我想得到布兰诺克斯的青睐 it's not me who will want to get into Brannox's good graces.
而是布兰诺克斯 新教宗 It's Brannox, the new pope,
希望讨得我的欢心 who will want to get into my good graces.
我不明白 I don't understand.
在梵蒂冈 知道教宗秘密的人 In the Vatican, whoever knows the pope's secret
才是实际上的教宗 becomes in reality the pope.
你猜猜 唯一一个 Now, guess who the only person is
知道教宗不可言说的秘密的人是谁 who knows the pope's unspeakable secret?
你吗 You?
作为一个民粹主义者 你反应很快 杜伊尤 You're a quick learner, Dullio, for a populist.
这个秘密是什么 What's the secret?
你能想象这些照片 Can you picture these photos
被印在火机 钥匙扣 烟灰缸上吗 on lighters, key chains, ashtrays?
我能想象这些教宗周边能大卖一笔 你呢 I can imagine a healthy sale of papal gadgets. Can't you?
我想得更远 I am thinking bigger than that.
我能想象到大量的灵魂买卖 I can imagine a healthy trade of souls.
他最后真的说了 "我不知道" He did finally say "I don't know."
要我说 "我不知道"意思就是"是的" If you ask me, "I don't know" means "Yes."
但他依旧非常小心 胆怯 他在研究我们 But he is still so wary, so diffident. He's studying us.
但应该是我们研究他 But we are supposed to be studying him.
有什么可研究的 What is there to study?
他有一切成为伟大的教宗的潜质 He has all the necessary qualifications to make a great pope:
让人昏昏欲睡的平静 the soporific calm
完美契合梵蒂冈的节奏 that is in perfect harmony with the Vatican's heartbeat.
他的个人魅力能让大家忘记不久前的事 The charisma to make people forget the recent past.
他在道德上无功无过 能平息当前的动荡 The moral equilibrium to defuse the turbulence of the present.
-那将来呢 -别这么天真了 阿吉雷 - And what about the future? - Don't be so naive, Aguirre.
教会没时间操心将来的事 The Church doesn't have time to worry about the future.
更重要的是 他令人信服 有诱惑力 What's more, he is persuasive, seductive.
能抓住你 He envelops you.
这个人像是天鹅绒做成的 The man seems to be made of velvet.
您觉得呢 大人 What do you think, Eminence?
我觉得我们得快点了 我们没多少时间 I think we have to hurry. We don't have much time.
我们得直接问 让我去谈吧 We must raise the question directly. Leave the talking to me.
女士 大人 约翰爵士想和你们谈谈 Ma'am, Eminences, Sir John would like to speak with you.
大人 我能单独和您谈谈吗 Eminence, might I have a word, in private?
我从约翰爵士小时候起就一直在照顾他 I have been looking after Sir John since he was a boy.
他是个了不起的人 He is a magnificent person,
但同时他也很脆弱 but he is also fragile, delicate.
就像是一件瓷器 A piece of porcelain.
由伟大的艺术家塑造 美丽 精致 Beautiful, glazed, and molded by great artists,
但本质上是件瓷器 but a piece of porcelain nevertheless.
他的生活背负着令人心碎的悲伤 His life has been burdened with crippling sorrows
以及无法言说的失望 and unspeakable disappointments.
我们不能成为另一次失望 We will not be another disappointment.
约翰爵士会在第一轮投票中成为教宗的 Sir John will become pope at the first round of voting.
这会是史上最迅速的一次教宗选举 我保证 It will be the swiftest conclave in history. I promise.
-我是一个脆弱的人 -是的 一件瓷器 - I am a fragile, delicate man. - True. A piece of porcelain.
-对吗 -一件漂亮的瓷器 - Am I right? - A beautiful piece of porcelain.
也许你需要的是一个钢铁般的人 Perhaps what you need is a man of steel.
不 那是世俗政权和愚人所需要的 No. That is what lay governments and stupid people need.
我们是教会 约翰爵士 我们的职责是爱 We are the Church, Sir John. Our duty is love.
-你知道我渴望什么吗 -什么 - Do you know what I crave? - What?
我渴望你会和我提起这种"爱" That you would speak to me of this love.
我实话实话 约翰爵士 Now I will truly be honest, Sir John.
我不太擅长这个话题 I am rather weak on that topic.
可能会把一切都毁了 I would risk ruining everything.
这样的话 In that case,
也许古铁雷兹大人可以和我谈谈"爱" perhaps Monsegnor Gutierrez will speak to me of love.
爱是一个抽象的概念 但也是必不可少的 Love is an abstract concept but a necessary one.
如同幸福 如同才智 Like happiness, like intelligence...
如同上帝 Like God.
我小时候... When I was a boy...
被一个男人猥亵 a man took advantage of me.
在那期间 他会说 And as he did so, he would say:
"上帝是不存在的" "God does not exist."
而我会代替上帝回答 And I would answer back, in God's place:
"即便祂不存在 "Even if He doesn't exist,
我们也非常需要相信祂就在那里" we desperately need to believe He is there."
你呢 大人 在你眼中爱是什么 And you, Eminence? What is love to you?
一个流浪汉倒在街角 奄奄一息 A vagrant lays dying on a street corner.
政府对他说 "我会帮你的" The government says to him: I'll help you.
医生对他说 "我会治好你的" The doctor says to him: I'll cure you.
他的女儿对他说 "我会给你钱的" His daughter says to him: I'll give you money.
他的朋友对他说 "我会和你分享我的葡萄酒" His friend says to him: I'll share my wine with you.
而教会什么都没对他说 And the Church says nothing to him.
教会把他放在了心上 The Church is thinking about him.
您会接受吗 大人 Would you accept, Eminence?
今晚我会搜寻隐藏在我心中的答案 Tonight I will search for the answer hidden in my heart.
今晚 教会把那个流浪汉放在了心上 Tonight the Church is thinking about that vagrant.
而我会把教会放在心上 And I will be thinking about the Church.
我们的仇恨剑有所指
我们的敌人昭然若揭
是恶魔
是基督徒
正如《古兰经》所言
他们中凡是顺从你的 我必以你们充满火狱